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Kinkajou Kinkajou : So what the answer old dog?


Erasmus Side face Erasmus :The main “stuff” that escapes from a black hole is gravity. In fact the bigger the black hole, the more gravity escapes. This suggests to us that:
gravity has no mass (otherwise it could not escape from the black hole),
gravity has no energy (Einstein has shown that energy has mass equivalence therefore gravity must be massless both in the real and in the relativistic sense), (otherwise it could not escape from the black hole),
gravity cannot have force, (because force can do work, and work is energy, and gravity cannot have energy).

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : We do accept that gravity bends space time. (The universe that we see I call 3DT space-time, short for three dimensional space and time).

Kinkajou Kinkajou : Then there's the Gravity effect on the Photon issue.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : We have done the thought experiment of the action of gravity on a photon, causing blue shift or red shift. This can best be summarised as gravity “displacing” the electromagnetic carry away into more or less space and time. We open the proposal that gravity is a “displacement”, not a force.


Kinkajou Kinkajou : Then there's the Gravity effect on two neutral cold particles. The picture said:

Two particles Attract

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : Our thought experiment of two particles being drawn together by gravity leads to a cluster of two particles in a gravity well. There is a problem here that the two particles are now at a lower energy level than previously. We has the energy gone? A solution is to balance the decrease in energy in the world we see (3DT space-time) with an increase in energy in the world we cannot see (x3DT space-time). We have labelled the energy carrier mechanism as a “relationship” or “Rel”.

This description works well with the concept of gravity as a displacement in space and time. Note that force carrier particles in the quantum universe are exchanged directly in a one to one pattern between mass particles. Hence in our two particles being drawn together, we can describe gravity as displacing the two particles together. And since force carriers are exchanged, there is no leakage or evaporation into the remainder of the universe. The relationship is one-to-one exchange.
As we have stated, there appears to be missing energy in the before and after situation the two attracted particles.

Kinkajou Kinkajou : It is important to understand why and electron orbits an atomic nucleus.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : The nuclear boundary threshold energy is of the order of approximately 12 to 14 mega- electron volts. This stops the electron crashing into the proton of the atomic nucleus, unless a great deal of energy is supplied.

The electron is stopped from escaping from the atomic nucleus by electrostatic forces with an energy level measured by the ionisation energy being of the order of approximately 10 to 14 electron volts. This is substantially substantially substantially substantially smaller than the nuclear boundary threshold energy.

The electron orbiting the atomic nucleus has a problem in that at times it finds itself in higher and lower energy states. Our knowledge of science says this is not possible. So we have proposed that there is another stabiliser present within the atom. We come back to our concept of the “Rel” as the energy balancing mechanism (conservation of energy mechanism for conservation of momentum mechanism), as a critical factor. The characteristics of the “Rel” is that the energy is highest when the electron is closest to the nucleus (therefore the3DT energy being the lowest). Also the energy is lowest when the electron is furthest from the nucleus (therefore the 3DT energy being the highest). A balanced state. The situation could be described as a “spring “balancing the energy/momentum of the system overall in 3DT + x3DT frames of reference.

Atomic Force Boundaries

Kinkajou Kinkajou : Wow. This also creates another interesting observation. Gravity may be the mechanism whereby the electron is displaced back to “average” energy/momentum levels. Gravity may be generated by the oscillations of the electrons from high to low energy states within the atom.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : This creates the suggestion that gravity is a function of excited matter, not just matter. We have suggested that atomic particles with increasing numbers of P orbitals may produce disproportionately higher amounts of gravity than other elements in the periodic table.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : It may also suggest another reason why stars collapse. As stars burn off all their hydrogen and helium into higher elements with increasing numbers of P orbitals, gravity may actually increase helping to accelerate the collapse. Up to this time we have largely attributed thermal energy or electron degeneracy pressure as the main factors opposing collapse in the star burning hydrogen.

Orbital Shapes

Orbital Shapes

Kinkajou Kinkajou : Another Thought Experiment.
Erasmus Side face Erasmus : There is a final issue to be considered in the action of gravity on a photon causing red shift. If a photon is red shifted to 0 by gravity, where has the energy gone. A planet the size of Earth could readily red shift a very low energy photon to zero. Red shifting to a zero energy state is not solely the province of a black hole.

One explanation is that the energy is transferred into the x3DT frame of reference as a “Rel”. However when the photon energy hits zero, a “Rel” suggests a relationship between two states. (One would be the world of the x3DT frame of reference and the other would be the photon). But if there is no photon? How can a “Rel” exist? This opens the question as to -  is there such a thing as a “dark” photon in the x3DT frame of reference and can a “Rel” hold energy without reference to 2 states?



Kinkajou Kinkajou : Such a proposition would suggest something of the nature of “dark matter”. Dark matter may reflect energy or mass held within “dark photons” or single relationship “Rels”. It may also suggest something of the nature of the Higgs field which we say pervades the universe.

Kinkajou Kinkajou : Are Gravity and "Rels' related? Well obviously so. But directly or indirectly. Time will tell.


Erasmus Side face Erasmus : And Finally remember, gravity is a weak force. To generate and create it we need amplifiers or oscillators.

12 g of carbon represent one mole or 6.01E23 atoms

RF frequencies for Electromagnetic Compressors run at 9-10 GHz (9-10E9)

An atom can have 10-20 electrons in its shell structures.

The numbers give 10E34 for foce amplification. Gravity is 10E35 weaker than many forces.

Goo Goo : I can see humanity on the threshhold of discovery. Let's see if you monkey brains really are that clever.


Goo Goo : Hey I've just thought os something else. I know why gravity cannot be a force. It cannot push rockets.

Kinkajou Kinkajou : Hang on. That's the point of all this. Using gravity to provide propulsion.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : I think I can see what Goo is thinking about, He's right. Gravity can be used to provide propulsion for a spaceship. It cannot be used to push a rocket.

With rockets, there is essentially a tank of hot compressed gas. A hole in one end of the tank, allows hot gas to escape backwards, pushing the rocket forwards. Even with the proposed Ion drive engines, mass is expelled backwards but it pushes against the Ion Drive propulsion field, in effect pushing the rocket forward.

With gravity there is no forward push against anything. The mass / gas in the drive engine is displaced backwards. To provide propulsion , the field must act over the spaceship attracting it forward. Remember the direction of action is 180 degrees opposite to the direction of propagation. In this configuration, both spaceship and propulsion mass are thrown backward. Rocket does not go forward.

Rockets and Thrust

Kinkajou Kinkajou : That's very clever Goo.

Erasmus Side face Erasmus : Yes Goo. You've seen something that for a thousand years, even the cleverest of humans have not. Good Job!